Category: Interviews

  • Carp Tales: Mike Dupree

    Carp Tales: Mike Dupree

    Don Newcombe and I were the only two people who pitched in the big leagues and were position players in Japan. Newcombe pitched with the Dodgers and played first base in Japan. I pitched for the Padres for just for a little while, and then I played outfield in Japan. That’s what I’m the proudest of, that I could do a little bit of everything.

    All through high school and during two years in college, I pitched and played right field. Right field was my favorite position. Roberto Clemente was my idol, so I had to be a right fielder. I was signed as an outfielder by the Padres in 1973. My first year in A ball, I hit .355, won the batting championship. I went to AA the next year, but I broke my hand. I went back to AA in the next year and my manager was Pat Corrales. He was a Fresno boy too. I used to throw batting practice to the whole team because I could always throw strikes and then somebody would throw to me. So, in AA that year, I was hitting the worst I had ever hit my life. I was hovering around .270, and Pat said, “You know what, Mike? I may just bring you in from right field and let you pitch a little bit.” 

    The first game he brought me in we were playing the Giants and Jack Clark was on that team. I struck out Clark three times that night and I threw 8 1/3 shutout innings. So, Corrales said, “Hey, I’m going to let you DH, but I’m going to bring you in and let you pitch a little bit more.” To make a long story short, he brought me in the last month and a half of the season. I ended up at 5-0, three saves and a 2.10 ERA in AA. Then [the next year], I went to spring training, and I threw really well, and I made a big club as a pitcher. To be truthful, I wasn’t prepared to be in the big leagues as a pitcher because my best position was outfield, or probably utility because I could play a little bit of everything. 

    After I got sent down [in 1976] from the big leagues, I threw back-to-back shutouts in Hawaii. Then they moved me to long relief and a little bit of closing, and they would DH me. Back then it was really tough to be a DH when we had position players sitting on the bench and I’m coming into pitch but also DHing. Those were fun times, but they were tough times too. For some of the position players it was difficult because I played two or three years in a row with them, and they were not getting a chance to play [because I’m playing both ways]. 

    As a two-way player, you’re always ready. Because I would usually be DHing, I’d be in the back taking swings [for most of the game]. I’d get ready mentally there. And then as far as pitching, the manager would usually let me know, “Hey, if we tie up the game or we get within a run, I may bring you in.” So, I always kind of knew where I was.  I’d often get four or five at bats a night and then maybe pitch in the 7th, 8th or 9th inning. So, you get a routine down and it didn’t bother me because I was the type of pitcher who could throw seven, eight, or nine warm-up pitches and I was ready to go.

    I even got to catch a few games. If I could have done it all over again from day one, I would have learned to hit left-handed and I would have been a catcher because I think that’s the best the road to the big leagues. You can be a good hitter, like Mike Piazza, or you can be a good defensive player. But if we look over the years, there’s not a lot of people who did both really well. I started toying with it by catching in the bullpen. Then finally they let me catch few games. As a catcher, you are involved in every play. That’s what I enjoyed. If I could do it all over again, I’d learn to hit left-handed and be a catcher, even though right field is my favorite position. 

    The Hawaii team I played on when we won the PCL championship in 1976 had Bobby Valentine in first base, Adrian Garrett, Billy Alman at short, Dave Roberts catching, Rod Gaspar at center, and Gene Richard in left. So, we had a great, great team. It got Roy Hartsfield a job with the Toronto Blue Jays the next year as a manager.

    After the 1979 season, I was pretty much decided that my baseball career was over. Over the years, I got to know Fibber Hirayama. He was a Fresno boy, and he had played for the Carp. Fibber left me a message that said, “Hey, Mike, can you give me a call?” I thought he maybe wanted me to throw batting practice to somebody. But he said, “How would you like to go to Japan?” And my first question was, “Am I going to pitch or am I going to hit?” He said, “They want you as a hitter.” 

    So, I did some homework. The Carp had won the Japan Series the year before and I was replacing Adrian Garratt. I had played with Adrian on that AAA team in Hawaii. He was a great guy. He hit 40 home runs [in 1978], but according to the Japanese, he couldn’t play defense. But they won the Japan Series!  So, when I had the opportunity, I was ecstatic. I was thinking, “Why are they wanting Mike Dupree to come to Japan, instead of Adrian Garrett who had 40 home runs and was just a really a good guy.” But I was so pleased because all I ever wanted to do from a little kid up was to play baseball. My short career in the big leagues was great, but Japan eventually ended up being the highest and the best part of my career because of the team I played on. So, I thanked Mr. Hirayama every time I saw him. I would say, “Sir, I’m so thankful that you had enough trust in me to send me to Japan.”

    I had never seen a Japanese player or a game, so I knew very little about Japanese baseball other than they were in phenomenal shape. Also that they overtrained a little bit more than they should have and that their pitchers threw a little bit more than they should have. I knew that I had to be in the best shape of my life before I went to Japan. And I was. But once I got there, it didn’t take me long to realize that they were considerably better than what was portrayed to me. That was no triple-A team.

    For spring training, I flew over about three weeks before my wife because she was giving birth to our daughter. We didn’t train in Hiroshima; we went to a small village, and it was beyond cold. I remember hitting for five minutes on a left-handed pitcher, then five minutes on a right-handed pitcher, and the games were so cold. It took me [just] one game to realize that these people were over the top into baseball. I mean, baseball was just everything. I knew baseball was big, but I [was still surprised] how hard we trained and how much we trained, how much we hit, and how much we threw and ran. It was good to have Jim Lyttle there. He had already been there three seasons. Jimmy was really great. We instantly got along really well and I’m very thankful that he was there. I was 28 years old and wasn’t quite as calm I am now. [I was] a young and cocky kid. Jimmy would just say, “Hey, we’re going to do it so just calm down. We’re going to run so just adapt.” Finally, I started adapting. Jimmy was good for me.

    Jimmy was well respected by the team, really well respected. He was a practical joker, and he was kind of notorious for hiding gloves. He was also really big on hot foots. The guys who weren’t playing sat in the first two rows of the dugout and clapped and yelled in unison. So Jimmy would get behind somebody in the front row and light him on fire! The guys would scream and our manager, Takeshi Koba, who always stood at the corner of the dugout, very upright, would look over, but say nothing.

    One of the first things I found out, and I found out the hard way, was the aggressiveness was stronger in the States, at least in 1980, by far. Early in the season, maybe a month into it, I was on second base, and there was a base hit to left field. I went through third, and the catcher was like four feet in front of home plate. I had nowhere to go. I couldn’t slide because I’d come up short [of the plate], so I dropped my shoulder, and I knocked him over. You wouldn’t believe it, both benches emptied. It was just craziness. I wasn’t looking to knock the catcher over, but I had no other alternative.

    You also didn’t take the second baseman out when you slid into second base. In the States, 

    guys like Lee May and some of those old big guys couldn’t wait to send a shortstop or second baseman into the outfield. “Oh no, Dupree-san. You don’t slide in the second base. It hurts,” I was told. We played a lot more physical in the States. Also, nobody ever tried to pick anybody off, but every time somebody would get on, the pitcher would stop and lob it over to first base. 

    In my first game, I’m going along and I’m 0 for 3. I’m having a great first game! I’m really showing off. I’m making him forget Adrian Garrett (laughs). In the top of the ninth, we were tied and they had their speediest runner on second base. They got a base hit to me in left field, and I came up throwing. I threw a strike to home, and he was out. Well, guess who led off the bottom of the ninth inning? I had been watching the pitcher the inning before, and he started off every time with an outside fastball. First pitch, I hit it out, over the right center field wall. So, I was called the sayonara kid for most of the year. That was a thrill. I was just trying to get on base, but as soon as I hit it, I thought, “This has got a chance!” I was on the magazine covers, so that was a nice way [to start in Japan], even though I was only one for four.

    I got to my locker the next day, and there was this little envelope with nothing but yen. I went over to Jimmy, and he said, “Get used to it.” That opening game made me an awful lot of money. Even if I went 0-3, but I made a good play during the game, there was always a little something. When I say a little something, the equivalent two, three, four, five hundred dollars. But the opening game, I was blown away by what was in my locker the next day because I wasn’t prepared for it. You don’t see that in the States! 

    Another thing that surprised me was that some of the managers would get very, very vocal with the umpires. Now Earl Weaver and Lou Panella used to argue and get kicked out, but some of the Japanese just took it to the nth degree. If it was a star being called out on strikes, they were right up there [in the umpire’s face]. Sadaharu Oh had a [tiny] strike zone, like about six-by-six inches (laughs). I’d see some of those pitches that Oh-san would take, and I’d think, “Oh my God!” I always used to have fun with Jimmy, about our strike zone [foreigners had notoriously large strike zones]. Jimmy used to tell me, when you get two strikes, get as close to the plate and swing. Luckily, I was a first ball or second ball hitter. I wanted to hit. I didn’t see a lot of interaction between managers. Every now and then in the States, you’ll see one of our managers yell over to the other dugout, and Panella would go after the opposing managers. Japanese managers were a little calmer to each other, but they certainly got into it with umpires.

    Now, the new stadium in Hiroshima I hear is fantastic, but the old one was fun and quaint. When I got to Hiroshima, the first thing I saw when I ran out on the field was the all-dirt infield. It was first time I played on an all-dirt infield. I remember telling Jimmy, “As much as I heard it rains over here, there’s going to be little lakes out here all the time.” I thought the outfield was really good. But I was blown away at the dirt. 

    Now if it was raining, we didn’t play. I think in 1980 we had 28 rain outs, and it was only a 130-game schedule. The season in Japan is longer than it is in the big leagues because you play every game, so you have to go back and play the rain outs. In Japan, you played in little towns, five or six games a year. They tried to play as soon as it quit raining, because the town only had one game a year. It was raining hard before one of these games, and I told Jimmy, “We’re getting the night off.” He said, “Don’t worry, it’s going to quit raining.” They landed two helicopters opposite each other on the field [to dry the diamond with their propellers]. We end up playing an hour later. They just got it ready. 

    When I played in 1980, a lot of my friends said Japanese stadiums were like AAA ballparks because they’re smaller and they’re shorter. Well, you know, I played in the Tokyo Stadium back in the day and center field was 405 or 410 and some of the lines are 315 or 330. [Since then], I think the Japanese players have gotten stronger. They’ve certainly gotten better, but the Carp team that I played with in 1980 was the best team that I ever played on. That team would have had three stars in the big leagues. 

    We played a 130-game schedule, and we ended up winning our division by 6 1/2 games. I think what made the team so good was the chemistry on the field. If you play enough games, there’s going to be friction. But they just got along well, I never saw any friction. [It helped that] we got out of the gate quickly and the pecking order [on a Japanese team] was big back then. The chemistry was built by the organization, but they just got along well. You know, I never had one Japanese player yell at me or say something underneath his breath or anything. Never.

    I really didn’t see the Japanese players off the field, just during the games and before games. Did you know that they eat a meal right before every game? That was amazing to me. We would eat hot noodles and rice and chicken. So, I didn’t have a lot of involvement with them outside of the ballpark, but in the ballpark, I was treated great. Plus, we had an interpreter everywhere that we went. Wally Yamane was our interpreter. We were always hoping he was saying what we were saying, and not saying, “Oh Dupree-san said, ‘He is going to hit thirty home runs and drive 100 RBI.’” The players, as a whole, were really good to me.

    I can just see our manager Koba standing very upright with his hat on looking down at us. Koba-san treated me nice. He usually went through my interpreter Wally, and I was never called into his office. So, he was great. He just let me and Jimmy play. He played a little bit un-Japanese baseball. We only had only one guy, our shortstop, who had good speed and might steal. But our pitching was good, and we had great hitters. So, the three-run home run, the two-run home run were really important for us. Koba-san wanted to play for longer innings as opposed to just one or two runs, so he didn’t run himself out [of innings] and he didn’t bunt a lot. [This strategy] was dictated by having some really good talent. We had guys like Koji Yamamoto (we only played 130 games and he hit 44 homers!), Sachio Kinugasa, our first baseman Jitsuo Mizutani, who had great power and won a batting championship, and Jimmy, who had a great year. We had guys who could hit the ball out, so Koba played more for the big inning as opposed to just giving an out away. We also had the best defensive outfield in Japan. Jimmy was great in right field. Koji was really conservative, but he was a good outfielder. And then I loved to come up throwing in left field, so we had by far the best defensive outfield in Japan. I mean hands down. 

    Koji Yamamoto was about 5’ 10”, 165 lbs. and he hit the ball so hard and so far. Now his strike zone wasn’t like me and Jimmy’s, but it wasn’t [as small as] Oh-san’s either. He hit the ball so hard consistently. He was the best Japanese player that I played with, by far. He was very, very quiet, but on a flyball into the gap that I would dive for and my hat went flying off, he’d be the first one to hand it to me; the first one to give me a little bit of a high five. He was as humble as a superstar possibly could be.

    Sachi Kinugasa was nothing but first class to me first, first class. For a guy 5’ 9” and 170 lbs., he could hit the ball a mile. He wasn’t the hitter Koji was then. But if I remember right that year, he hit 31 home runs and played great defense. It was close in the dugout, who had more respect Koji or Kinugasa. Sachi understood English, and he was just one of my favorites; him and Enatsu were probably my two favorite individual players.

    Me and Enatsu had a little bit of a bond. I liked him. When I played with him, he was at the tail end of his career, but he could have pitched in the States because he pitched like American power pitchers pitch. And he was fun to play with. His locker was real close to mine and he would come in, look over at me and just give me a little wink and kind of shake his head. He was another one I love playing with, but he was more at the end of his career where Koji was right in the prime. Kinugasa was a little bit at the end of his career, but that was the best team ever played on.

    At that time, stealing signs was really common in Japan. It was notorious in Hiroshima. We had a guy out in center field who had binoculars behind one-way glass so nobody could see. Koba-san would relay. “Dupre-san!” might mean curveball, or off-speed, or shuto. If they didn’t say anything, it might be a fastball. They were right on, probably 90%. When you’re right on 90%, whoa, you can be a little bit better hitter. People steal signs in America, like the Astros did, but as a whole, when guys are throwing 95 to 100 mph, even if you know what’s coming, it’s still awful hard to hit it. 

    In the Japan Series, we lost the first two games at home. We were so dominant at home, and I was thinking, “Oh my gosh!” Then we went on the road, and Jimmy got hot. We won the next two, lost one, so we were down 3-2. We came back to Hiroshima and won the last two games. Jimmy Lyttle was the MVP. I remember that I didn’t have a great series. I got two hits the final game and I made a nice diving catch in left field. That last game was back and forth. They got the lead and then in the sixth inning we took the lead, and we brought Enatsu in for the last three innings, and he won it for us. After the game, we marched around the field. The owner was first in the parade, naturally. Koba-san was second, then his main two coaches, then the other coaches, and then the players with the gaijin somewhere towards the back. We walked around the stadium three or four times, and it was just for the fans to appreciate and applaud and say thank you.

    I would have liked to have gone back another year, but I think that they wanted the Adrian Garrett type. I mean, when you win the World Series, you don’t usually break up the nucleus. I wasn’t Koji or Jim Lyttle or Kinugasa, but I brought something else to the game every night and I’d run through the wall to catch the ball for you. I tried to do everything. I did the little things, so I was disappointed I wasn’t able to go back the next year. That’s probably the biggest disappointment I take away from Japan, but that’s small compared to all the things that I came away with. I just absolutely loved everything about it. 

    I have such fond memories of Japan. Those were good times. I don’t know if you remember Rick Dempsey. During a rain out, he [stuffed something under his jersey to make] a big stomach and went to home plate, took a big fake swing, and ran around the bases. When he got halfway around third, he slid home on the tarp. So, they had just shown the clip on Japanese TV when we had a rain delay, and the players came up and said Dupree-san? They knew I would do it. They weren’t going to do it. We were on the road and they said, “Dupree-san, do running home run.” I said, I would do it [for a price] and I named a ridiculous number of yen. And they said, Okay!”  So, I got a bat and went to home plate with a helmet like I was batting. The first pitch I took, and I yelled at an imaginary umpire. “It was too high, too high!” I did this about two times, and then I swung, and ran all the way around [the bases]. I hit third base and then about a quarter down I literally slid on the tarp all the way home. The guys in the dugout were just going crazy. It was in the magazines. I don’t know if the guys had more respect for me after doing something goofy and being part of them. And you ready for this? The next day in the locker was cash in a little envelope. I wasn’t really expecting that. The sad part was that we ended up playing that night. And it was cold! I couldn’t get that jersey off fast enough afterwards. That was probably the goofiest thing that I did.

    You go to the game in America, and you enjoy it. When you see the grass and the field for the first time, you’re excited by the beauty of the ballpark. But in Japan, it’s a happening. I mean, the drums, the banners, the cheering. I have two huge banners. Because of the way I played, I had a nickname of Hustle Boy. So I have a banner that’s probably 10 by 6 feet with my face with really blonde hair and “Hustle Boy” all over it. I also have another banner that they gave me when I left. The fans waved them in the outfield right behind me, and Jimmy had his in right field. Unless you’re there [you can’t really understand]. You can tell people what it’s all about, but it’s just nine innings of cheering. They just enjoy it and it’s their lives. It was just constant yelling and screaming. It was such a happening. It was unbelievable.

    I have not been back to Japan since 1980, but we’re going with my daughter and son-in-law and grandkids this August [2025]. We’re really looking forward to going back to Hiroshima. I can’t wait for my grandkids, and even my daughter and son-in-law, to be there firsthand. I can tell people about it, but once you experience it, it’s amazing.

    You know that they’re big on signatures. Guys would knock on the hotel door but have nothing to sign. So, they would want me to sign my name with a magic marker on their suits. I would say, “No, no.” You know, I didn’t speak Japanese very good. But they would say, “Please Dupree-san.” So, I did that a half a dozen times and then a young lady came to the door, and opened up her blouse. I was praying there were no cameras down the hallway. So, I signed it real quick, said thank you and closed the door. They’re so big on autographs and stuff like that because baseball’s the only true team sport. We can’t relate to that. The average person only has baseball. Golf is so expensive you can’t afford to play. I signed a lot of 8 by 10 cards [shikishi], I can tell you that! I was very thankful to be in Japan so I signed for everyone I could. A few times a year, I still get mail from Japan and when I do, it’s usually a baseball to sign or a very elaborate letter, because baseball is so popular over there.

    Oh-san retired in 1980; that’s the year I played. So, my favorite memento is a big, beautiful color picture of me and Oh shaking hands. I had the most respect [for him]. When people say he wouldn’t hit all those home runs over here. No, he wouldn’t. But he was a great, great hitter and he would have hit many over here. He was a great hitter and just as good a person.

    I told you earlier, all I ever wanted to do was play baseball. I made it to the Big Leagues.  Was I a star? No, not at all. Japan made all the years of playing baseball worth it because with only two Americans per team, I played every game but two. I got hit with a pitch and I was supposed to be out for two weeks. I actually missed only one game. I came back two days later. I had a lot of fulfillment in winning the World Series of Japan. And it was the best team I ever played on, so I only have good memories from Japan, good memories.

    Read more Carp Tales at https://www.robfitts.com/blog

  • My Baseball History Podcast on the History of Japanese Baseball

    My Baseball History Podcast on the History of Japanese Baseball

    In his latest episode podcaster Dan Wallach focuses on the history of Japanese baseball with an interview with SABR’s Asian Baseball Committee Chair Rob Fitts.

    https://www.shoelesspodcast.com/season-five/08

  • Meet Karl “Tuffy” Rhodes on May 7 at 830 pm EST

    Meet Karl “Tuffy” Rhodes on May 7 at 830 pm EST

    SABR’s Asian Baseball Committee is thrilled to host former NPB star Karl “Tuffy” Rhodes for a zoom discussion on May 7 at 8:30 pm EST. Mr. Rhodes will talk about his experiences in NPB and then answer your questions.

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    Asian Baseball Committee meeting

    When: May 7, 2026 08:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) 

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    Karl “Tuffy” Rhodes had a six-year Major League career before signing with the Kintetsu Buffaloes of NPB before the 1996 season. He played 13 seasons in Japan for the Buffaloes and Yomiuri Giants. A ten-time NPB All-Star and seven-time Best Nine Award winner, Rhodes also led his league in RBI three times, and home runs four times. His 55 home runs in 2001 tied Sadaharu Oh’s single-season HR record and earned him the Pacific League MVP. He retired with 1792 NPB hits and 464 NPB home runs.

  • Join Mike Clair on SABR Asian Baseball’s Zoom Chat, April 13 at 8:30p.m. EST

    Join Mike Clair on SABR Asian Baseball’s Zoom Chat, April 13 at 8:30p.m. EST

    On April 13 at 830 pm EST MLB.com writer and author of the new book We Sacrifice Everything to Baseball will join the SABR Asian Baseball Committee to chat about the WBC and his new book, followed by Q&A. All are welcome.

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    Asian Baseball Committee meeting

    When: Apr 13, 2026 08:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) 

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  • Excerpt: In the Japanese Ballpark: Behind the Scenes of Nippon Professional Baseball

    Excerpt: In the Japanese Ballpark: Behind the Scenes of Nippon Professional Baseball

    Chapter 26: Bobby Valentine, Manager.

    from Off Base with Howard Cole, originally posted February6, 2026

    Because of their rich history in Los Angeles, the Dodgers (and their fans) know something about Japanese baseball. And so does the Robert K. Fitts, the author of several books on the subject. We excerpted his “Mashi: The Unfulfilled Baseball Dreams of Masanori Murakami, the First Japanese Major Leaguer” ahead of Shohei Ohtani’s L.A. debut in 2024, and are happy to tell you about his latest work now. It is “In the Japanese Ballpark: Behind the Scenes of Nippon Professional Baseball,” University of Nebraska Press, November 1, 2025, $21.99 Hardcover, $20.89 Kindle.

    Fitts devoted chapters about his interview subjects from every aspect of Japanese baseball under the sun. Twenty-six of them, including a player, umpire, manager, fan, cheerleader, beer girl, data analyst, general manager, assistant general manager, commissioner, agent and team owner.

    In fact, chapters regarding two managers, both with Dodgers connections, are included in the work: Trey Hillman, who was Don Mattingly’s bench coach from 2011 to 2013, and Bobby Valentine, a Dodgers minor and major leaguer from1968 through 1972, when he was included in a blockbuster trade which also sent Billy Grabarkewitz, Frank Robinson, Bill Singer and Mike Strahler to Anaheim for Andy Messersmith and Ken McMullen.

    Chapter 26: Bobby Valentine, Manager

    Former Major League player Bobby Valentine managed the Texas Rangers, New York Mets, and Boston Red Sox as well as the Chiba Lotte Marines in 1995 and 2005–2009. He led the Marines to the championship in 2005.

    I went to Japan for the first time in the early 1980s. I was invited by Mizuno Sporting Goods because at that time I was thought to be the first player to use a Mizuno glove in the Major Leagues. In 1978 Mizuno’s master glove maker, Nobuyoshi Tsubota, came to spring training in Florida and set up a little workshop in a Winnebago he parked on the street right outside the players’ parking lot. I was riding by on my bike, and I stopped in, and Tsubota-san made me a glove. I used it from that day on. Later that season, I was going to be in the starting lineup for some reason and the game was going to be on national television. Joe Torre was our manager, and his brother Frank was the vice president of Rawlings. The game was on a Saturday, and Frank came to the stadium on Friday night. When I arrived on Saturday morning to get ready for the game, the Mizuno label was ripped off my glove! But I used it, and it was the first time a Mizuno glove was used in the Majors— or so I thought. Later, we found out that Lou Gehrig had his glove stolen during the 1934 tour, and Mizuno made him a replacement that he used when he returned to the States.

    Then in 1986 I went over as a coach on the postseason All- Star tour. My first impression was that the players looked better than I thought they would. Then in 1989 I went over as part of the Japan- U.S. baseball summit that Tatsuro Hirooka put together. I got to meet a lot of the baseball hierarchy, including Shigeo Nagashima, Katsuya Nomura, and Hirooka-san. Once again, I was impressed, especially by a young player named Hiromitsu Ochiai. So, by the time I got there in 1995 to manage the Chiba Lotte Marines, I already had a good impression of Japanese baseball. Then in that first year, I got to work with Hirooka-san. I was amazed at his knowledge and his understanding of the game. He was as spectacular a baseball man as I had ever been around. And I had been around a lot of the older baseball guys in America. I had played baseball and been a young coach on the same staff as Frank Howard and George Bamberger, and I was really close to Tommy Lasorda and Al Campanis and then later Bobby Bragan.

    In the early 1990s most Americans’ understanding of Japanese baseball was totally misconceived. It was based on Tom Selleck and Mr. Baseball— almost totally based on that and the stories that guys told from their experiences. Most of the guys were bad storytellers, and most of them had an ugly American’s perspective. I think that some of the guys who could have told the story properly were never asked, or it never got into the mainstream media, which was presenting a very opinionated and uneducated view of Japanese baseball, in my opinion. 

    There was a lot of resistance to acknowledging the baseball culture of Japan. There was still prejudice, probably hangover effects from the war. I knew some Americans who had actually experienced World War II and had a preconceived prejudice of the Japanese being the enemy. It wasn’t acceptable by my standards, but I thought it to be natural. They were very comfortable having a predetermined opinion of what the culture was and what the baseball culture was in Japan. When I went over with the Major League All-Star team in 1986, to a man they played and respected the Japanese players. They said, “Hey man, that pitcher is pretty good. Hey, this guy can hit. Hey, they’re throwing from the outfield just like we are.” There was a reckoning from those who were seeing without blinders on. 

    When I got there in ’95, Japanese baseball culture had an inferiority complex. Nearly everyone believed that it was a lesser league, a lesser brand of baseball. A lot of that was based on a size and speed comparison. There wasn’t that really fast guy, and there wasn’t that really big guy who was born from Japanese parents. So, there was that physical inferiority, but there was also just the idea of watching a championship game from the United States on TV and having it called the World Championship and then watching your championship on TV and having it called the Japan Championship that lends itself to an inherent inferiority situation. 

    The same year that I first managed the Marines, Hideo Nomo came over to the States. I always thought of that as an exchange, basically the first player coming over here and the first manager going over there. We did a crossover. What I was expecting when I got to Japan was an enthusiastic fandom for Nomo, a superhero trying to do something that no one had ever done before. But instead, he was treated like an outsider, and the fans and the baseball community, mainly the older baseball community, were pulling against him at the beginning and saying he would fail. I remember having conversations with Hirooka-san and others, and they thought he was going to fall on his face, and they weren’t really rooting for him, which I found really amazing. Or maybe, in their hearts they were pulling for him, but they were embarrassed to come out and say it in case he failed. So, I’m not sure what the true mentality of the baseball hierarchy in Japan was at the beginning of Nomomania. I know what I heard, and I know what they said, but it’s such a different culture that sometimes you have to get an interpreter to understand what’s really meant. 

    After managing in Japan, I had an even greater appreciation of the Japanese game. I always thought it was real baseball, and then I got to experience it and I was like, “Holy cow!” When I brought the Marines to Arizona to practice in the spring of 1995, I had Nolan Ryan and Tom House come out to watch Hideki Irabu throw. He wasn’t like Nomo with the whirlwind windup and the split finger that confused everyone. He was actually someone who stood out there and had a fastball better than everyone else. And he was from Japan! 

    When I was the Mets manager in 1997, I went to Shigeo Nagashima’s spring camp, which started two weeks before we did, and I asked him if he could give me a pitcher who was not going to make the Yomiuri Giants ichi-gun (main team) so that I could take him to spring training and have him pitch for the Mets. He was like, “Why would you want to do that?” And I said because I want to show the Japanese community, as well as the U.S. community, that a guy who can’t pitch for your team can pitch for mine. So, I brought over Takashi Kashiwada, and he actually pitched for the Mets and did a decent job. 

    Measuring change is one of the hardest things in the world to do. You look back twenty years, and you realize that things have really changed, right? When I came back to manage the Marines in the mid-2000s, it seemed that the decade between my two stints was like the 1975 to 1985 decade in the States when times were changing. There had been a kind of cultural swing. I think that Nomo going to the States allowed a freedom of spirit to be attached to baseball in Japan.

    In 1995 I misunderstood why I was there. I thought I was there to teach the Japanese how to play the game, because that’s what I was told when I was being interviewed for the job. They said that Hirooka knew how to play the game, but the Japanese players really didn’t. As it turned out, they knew how to play the game. They just needed someone to let them know that they knew how to play the game. Ten years later when I went back, that was my mission, not teaching them how to play the game, but letting them understand that they knew it well enough to compete at any level. But by that time, Ichiro was doing his thing, and Matsui was on the Yankees, and that inferiority complex that I thought they had was no longer there. 

    There have been several noticeable changes since 1995, both on and off the field. One of the most challenging times of my life was getting the Japanese hierarchy to understand one thing that I thought they needed to change. They thought that a hitter should always swing down on the ball and hit ground balls because they weren’t big enough and strong enough to hit home runs. I argued, “How could you say that when the guy who hit more home runs than anybody on earth was a Japanese and my size?” You don’t have to be a big guy to hit it over the fence. What you need is a good swing. 

    But even Sadaharu Oh thought you should swing down at the ball. In 1995 I had weekly debates with Hirooka-san, who was on the same team with Oh and saw how Oh developed the swing that made him hit more home runs than anybody else who ever lived. And it was a downswing. So one time, after showing me videos in slow motion and stop action, Hirooka-san brought in a wonderfully fine-tuned samurai sword and a bundle of sticks bounded by a rope. In one of the great training exercises that Oh did with the sword, they hang this bundle of sticks, and you swing the sword, and if you swing properly, at the right angle with the right velocity, you go through that bundle as though it was a piece of paper. And if you don’t, then the sword ricochets back and it might hit you in the forehead and cut your head open! They had me try it. And they were right. If you went in at the right angle, and it was a bit of a downswing with the sword, it would go through. It went through on my first attempt. Then they had me swing up at it, and it bounced off, and the ricochet almost stabbed me in my backside!

    Bobby Valentine with former MLB pitcher Masato Yoshii. Courtesy of Jim Allen.

    That was all cool, but then I needed another two months to explain to Hirooka how a sword has no weight at the end of it, and a bat has a weight at the end of it. These interpretive conversations were multiple and always the same. I said the same thing, and he would always agree that he understood what I was saying, but that he didn’t agree with what I was saying. Then finally at the end of the year, and it was one of the most satisfying moments, he said to me, “I understand what you’re saying, and I understand that you are right, but I just don’t want the players to know that.” There was so much time and effort invested into this philosophy of hitting in Japan that they didn’t want to reverse it, so they just let it be. Luckily, some of the players kind of got the message. Today, many of the hitters in Japan, and in Korea for that matter, definitely have an upswing.

    The other major change is on the field. The Japanese now have incorporated the backhand as a standard way of fielding. In 1995 there was a rite of passage for those who entered the professional ranks of baseball in Japan. You had to field one thousand ground balls at one time without leaving the field, and while fielding them if you went to your right, you had to go so hard that you got in front of the ball. That was the way you fielded. When you went to your right, you always got in front of the ball, so the ball hit you in the chest if it didn’t go into the glove. But from about 1995, some of the infielders started to incorporate the backhand, and that made a big difference in their range factor and in their ability to throw the ball across the diamond more efficiently. 

    Those are the two technical things that changed from the first time I got there. The hitting one is rather large and the fielding one is a little more subtle. By incorporating those two changes, the players now look very similar to the professional players in the States. 

    Another thing that’s changed— Japanese baseball now leans toward recovery, not only toward effort. The idea that doing more, and more was better, has changed just a little. When I got to Japan in 1995, to miss a minute of practice while your teammates were practicing, even if you had to go to the bathroom, would be frowned upon. Everyone played all the time, and there was no pitch limit. I instituted a 15 pitch-per- inning goal and a 135-per- game maximum. You would have thought that I was asking families to give away their first-born child! Suggesting that a pitcher should have a limitation on his pitches per inning and per game was unheard of in Japan. 

    While I was managing there, Masahiro Tanaka pitched twelve innings in the 2006 Koshien final that ended in a tie and then came back the next day and pitched seven innings. I mean, are you kidding me? It was some of the greatest stuff I’ve ever seen in my life. It was a badge of honor to leave it all out on the field. The idea that you had to come back and do it again the next day wasn’t necessarily part of the equation.

    A crazy example of this happened in my first year. After a game we lost, I got showered and dressed and then came out, and Hirooka, the general manager, was standing behind the batting cage, and my third baseman was taking batting practice. It’s about 11:30 at night. Sweat is pouring off of his chin, and he had just played nine innings. And the pitcher is throwing curveballs. I watched for a while because I figured, well, he needed practice hitting curveballs. And I watched for a little longer. I guess he needed a little more practice hitting curveballs. Then, I went over to Hirooka-san and asked, “So how long is he going to be hitting here tonight?” 

    And he said, “Until he can hit the curveball.” 

    Of course! I thought. There was no consideration that the next day was a day game, and it was going to be 93 degrees, and this guy had to go home, come back, and then play nine more innings. 

    That has changed. The players are not wearing themselves down as much, and that’s why I think the athletes now are bigger and stronger. They have time to recover and build rather than just breaking their bodies down through constant work.

    I have to touch on this. Somewhere it should be said, or maybe it shouldn’t be said, but it took Japan about twenty years to discourage players from smoking cigarettes. In traditional Japanese baseball culture, that was what you were supposed to do. If you looked at the back of a magazine, all the stars in the ads were smoking. And if they were smoking, you had to smoke. When I first got there in 1995, right behind the dugout there was something like a table with a grid on the top where you put your cigarette out and then just dropped it into this long ashtray. The guys would come in from the field and line up like it was buffet line, eight or nine of them smoking cigarettes. It was crazy! But that has changed as well. 

    You know that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity, but businesswise the Japanese teams had a way of doing the same thing over and over again and being very satisfied with the same result. So, when I came back in 2005, I was hired to do more than the managing. I was also there to help them transition into more of a Major League–type business, to help them run the club as a standalone business instead of an advertising vehicle for the international company that lends its name to the team.

    Akio Shigemitsu, who ran the club, was the son of the owner of Lotte, and he was only part Japanese, so he was seen as an outsider. I think that’s what gave him the idea to give Hirooka-san the go ahead to find a foreign manager. Shigemitsu-san wasn’t getting the weekly memo from Watanabe-san (the president of the Yomiuri Giants) that everything in Japanese baseball is great and don’t try to change a thing until I call and give you the go-ahead. He didn’t totally follow the marching orders. All of the interaction we ever had was at these very formal geisha dinners: private room, sitting on the floor, geisha gals pouring your sake, talking about the weather and all the other really important things that we could definitely agree on to make sure there wasn’t going to be any confrontation at this social event. But we would also talk about doing things a little differently to make the Marines a better team and business. 

    When Shigemitsu-san gave me the go-ahead to talk with people about marketing, it was marketing the mascot and the team brand. It was never marketing the players. Japanese baseball, just like Japanese culture, in my opinion, is such a closed culture. They treated baseball as an entertainment vehicle that was closed to the public. There was an idea that players should not interact with the fans. It was as if it would lower your image if you didn’t keep a barrier between the players and those who paid to see them play. I think what they wanted was the secretive, aloof, no-contact kind of superstar, the Joe DiMaggio type. But, marketing the player and promoting the player and letting the fans have contact with the player have changed for the better over the years. It’s now part of the business side that they’re trying to sell, not only the brand but also the talent. 

    Between-inning entertainment has also become part of the business. The teams always had the mascots, but now there are mascots, cheerleaders, plus other events between innings to entertain fans. Japanese teams have become more cognizant that they need the fans to have the game. At one time, the fans needed the game, so they provided the game. The mentality changed a little so that now the game needs the fans. I think they’re getting it now. It’s a different ownership situation. 

    But it was tough to change the marketing. Marketing is one of those weird concepts in Japan. People are supposed to want to buy your product, right? Having to persuade consumers is a newer concept, and baseball is one of the older and more conservative businesses there. For example, I almost needed an act of Congress to allow kids to come on the field after Sunday games and run around the bases.

    I’m concerned that NPH will become like the Negro Leagues. I tried to tell players that the good players should stay there and that the medium players should go to the States and make more money. But don’t take the stars away from their teams because that’s what MLB did to the Negro Leagues. The Negro Leagues were great leagues for their fans. The last Negro World Series was in 1949, two years after Jackie Robinson came to the Dodgers. That’s a whole story for another day, right? But that’s always my fear, that MLB is going to do that to another great league.

    I think a lot has been taken away from NPB because the players want to go where the grass is greener. They need to plant a few new lawns, and the beginning is to get new venues. You can then charge more money for suites and generate revenue from within the business itself rather than from the parent company. Then that money can be reinvested in R&D (research and development) and the minor leagues and in major league salaries and talent. 

    It looks like NPB is actually moving to do it with the Hokkaido new dome and the plans to renovate Jingu and make that into a spectacular downtown venue. The Giants are going to be forced to do something. Chiba, I hear, is going to spend over a billion dollars to build a new stadium along with Lotte and ZoZo in partnership. 

    One solution for NPB would be to increase their minor league system and their R&D. The problem with their system has been that they have eighty players in each organization. Thirty of them are basically on the ichi-gun (top team), and fifty of them are in the single ni-gun (minor league) team. The ni-gun manager has to keep sharp the guys who might come up to the big leagues as temporary replacements. Since there’s only one team, there is no room to develop young players. Sometimes, players are in the minor leagues for years without playing in a game. But they go to practice every day, five and six hours a day of practice. That’s the mentality: keep practicing, and you’ll get better. Well, I kept trying to tell them that they need to play to get better. It’s a game of playing, not just a game of hitting and throwing. Three of the organizations now have more than one minor league team, so that’s a start. 

    NPB also has to improve their feeder system. When you have four thousand high schools and eighty colleges playing baseball and then you draft only seventy or eighty kids a year, that is not forward thinking. They’ve got to spend more on developing players because there are a lot of players who fall through the cracks. Japanese kids develop physically later, and basically when they’re seventeen, they’re being judged whether or not they’re going to be a professional player. The feeder system has changed a little bit. It used to be Koshien to contract. Star in high school Koshien, and you get a contract. You’re one of the eighty players selected by a team. But now, teams are giving more opportunities for college and even industrial and independent league players to play professionally.

    Still, Japan needs to embrace the independent leagues. We have Minor League teams in the States that allow fans who aren’t close to a Major League franchise to go out and watch a professional baseball game. In Japan, there are independent league teams in all these little country towns. As in America, these should be seen as the place to go in the community. One could go to a baseball game with your kid and enjoy it and then go home without worrying about catching the last train out of Tokyo to get home. But the independent leagues haven’t built up a strong fan base. I was trying to expand the independent leagues when I was there because a stronger independent league system would produce more players for NPB. In 2006 when I was managing the Marines, I scouted independent teams, and I took a kid named Katsuya Kakunaka from an independent team in the draft. After I left, he wound up leading the league in hitting in 2012. 

    So anyway, that’s what I think NPB needs to do. They need to improve their facilities, create more minor league teams and more independent teams, and then they need to get together on what they’re doing. I think what they need to do eventually is change the baseball hierarchy. 

    And I think that’s already starting to change. And I think they should at least explore the possibility of having a division of Major League Baseball in Asia— not where teams are traveling back and forth between Asia and the United States, but where the winner of an Asian division enters the playoffs for a true world championship. Now, of course, that would change the model in Japan, and I don’t know that change is what they would really like to do. But I think that if baseball wants to expand and continue to grow worldwide, it would be better to merge and grow rather than just have MLB handpick talent and eliminate the competition.

    Of course, we have the WBC. But it interrupts the season. I don’t think that you’re ever going to get the best brand of baseball being played before the season. If it’s a true all-star situation, then I think it should be played midseason with everyone taking a break. Or it should be an Olympic sport played during the Winter Olympics. I always thought that would be the sensible thing to do, play the tournament in a dome during the Winter Olympics because it’s the off-season. 

    But you know, after winning the first one, and winning it often, I feel that Japan should get a bigger cut of the pie. I thought that they should have negotiated that from day one, but they didn’t. I felt and feel that it could be a big boost economically for the players. Also with the WBC, people will continue to say, “Oh, yeah, Japan only won because they take it more seriously. Japan only won because they practiced more before it started.” Well, if they’re going to practice more and use better players and be better prepared, which makes it a better event, then they should be rewarded economically for that. 

    My advice to American fans seeing their first Japanese game? Well, they should understand that the food is going to be better than they’ve ever had at a baseball park, so order properly: that the kegs are on legs and you’re going to get a very cold and foam-filled glass of beer that you absolutely have to have, and that you should pay attention to the game just like everyone else around you, because they won’t miss a pitch or an inning regardless of the score or who’s at the plate. The Japanese give the game that respect when they’re in the stands. There’s a better understanding of the game from the fans. It’s not necessarily vocalized or transmitted through action. If someone thinks something is good here in the States, they stand up in front of the person behind them and start yelling and waving their hands, regardless of whether the guy behind them can see. It’s a little different in Japan. But if you turn to the seventy-year- old woman to your left and ask what the count is, she’ll probably know. That should be appreciated. 

    The Japanese players will look and act in a very similar way, and they do that out of respect for the game. They feel that there’s a certain way to dress, a certain way to act when they’re on the field, a certain way to swing and miss in a very dramatic fashion. There are little moments of drama in a Japanese game that are kind of unique, but you have to know what you’re looking at to actually see them. There’s a little bit of Kabuki theater when they have a collision or get hit by a pitch or swing violently and miss or dive for a ball. Also, the idea of the count going full is respected a little more in Japan, that the battle has taken place and now it comes to this crescendo and the outcome will be on the next pitch. That’s Japanese baseball in its truest, purest form. The game is built around those moments. That’s why they love it.

    Off Base with Howard Cole is available on Substack

  • Let’s Talk Shohei Ohtani with Bill Plunkett, author of LA Story, DATE CHANGE Now Thursday February 19, 9PM EST

    Let’s Talk Shohei Ohtani with Bill Plunkett, author of LA Story, DATE CHANGE Now Thursday February 19, 9PM EST

    The SABR Asian Baseball Research Committee is excited to host Bill Plunkett in a discussion about Shohei Ohtani and his book L.A. Story: Shohei Ohtani, The Los Angeles Dodgers, And A Season For The Ages. Please join us for a general discussion about Shohei! Signup for this exciting zoom event below:

    Bill Plunkett covers the Dodgers beat for the Orange County Register, and has written about baseball in Southern California for nearly 25 years, including a separate stint on the Angels beat. His work has appeared in Baseball America and Baseball Digest, and, and he is a frequent guest on MLB Network, ESPN, and SportsNet LA.

    Asian Baseball Committee meeting

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  • The Japanese Baseball Card Industry. Video of the January 28, Zoom talk with Tatsuo Shinke, CEO of MINT Sports Cards in Japan

    The Japanese Baseball Card Industry. Video of the January 28, Zoom talk with Tatsuo Shinke, CEO of MINT Sports Cards in Japan

    On January 28, 2026, Tatsu Shinke, the CEO of Mint Sports Cards, joined SABR’s Asian Baseball and Baseball Card Research Committees to talk about the sports card industry in Japan. You can now watch the talk on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIco-gUF5s8

    Mr. Shinke is the CEO of Mint Sports Cards and Games, Japan’s largest chain of sports card shops. He has previously worked for Upper Deck and Japan’s largest sports card producer, Baseball Magazine.

  • Carp Tales: Marty Brown

    Carp Tales: Marty Brown

    by Robert K, Fitts

    As a player I had kind of an up and down career. I played a year and a half, two years, in the big leagues, off and on, and it just didn’t look as though that [an MLB career] was going to happen. I played for Charlie Manuel, who managed the Phillies in the World Series and had played in Japan as well. He was managing Cleveland Indians AAA team, and he wanted me on his team. I ended up being kind of a utility player. I went to him and said, “Hey man, I would love to play in Japan.” I was really not the prototypical player to go to Japan because they wanted a Jessie Barfield or Lloyd Mosby, those type of guys. But Hiroshima is a smaller market, and they had an interest. When their scout came over to see me, I performed very well, and he signed me.

    When I went over, I really went into it wholeheartedly. I wanted to make a good impression. I did all their practice stuff. I was doing everything. Man, at the end of the year I was tuckered out! It was just their workload, what they did, plus we practice differently. Americans here practice full tilt, like in a game, whereas Japanese sometimes back off. They get a lot out of 70%. That’s just how they practice. You hear about some of the ridiculous things that they do, like they’ll go take 1000 swings, right? Well, there’s nobody that can do that full tilt. One of the examples on the pitching side, is Hiroki Kuroda, who pitched for me when I was managing. He just had a chip removed from his elbow and on his first day back, he said, “I want to throw a 100-pitch bullpen.” I said, “Why would you want to do that?” “Don’t worry,” he said, “I’ll throw probably 15 full tilt. I’ll back off on everything else.”  He just wanted to show the press that he was healthy. That was very important to him.

    I didn’t know a lot about Japanese baseball before I went over. I knew Mr. Baseball and I had friends who had gone over; some were successful, some weren’t. The guys who were really successful in the States were not always so successful in Japan. There was a different mindset when it came to Japanese baseball, as opposed to American baseball. I think the speed of the game in the United States is obviously faster. Players can adapt to the speed of the game, whereas in Japan they have a way of being successful that works for them and that’s what they want to do. They don’t deviate from that very much. It’s a kind of old school like mid 1940s. They still practice a lot that way.

    [When I joined the Carp in 1992] everybody was upbeat about how the team had done the year before. [They had won the Central League pennant]. I had some really good teammates, like Tomonori Maeda and Kenjiro Nomura. Akira Etoh was there. He led the league in home runs, and I hit behind him normally. 1992 was a pretty satisfying year for me individually. I had a pretty good season. There were a lot of really good players, but we had aging pitching staff. Manabu Kitabeppu was getting older. It was unfortunate that we just kind of ran out of pitching, because we had such a good nucleus of position players. We just didn’t have enough bullpen [arms] to really take care of the bigger-tier teams. The Giants were difficult, and the Swallows were really a good team at that time with Atsuya Furuta and their manager [Katsuya] Nomura-san. So, it was a really challenging season, but we played well. It was a lot of fun and I really enjoyed Hiroshima, especially the fans and the atmosphere. That was pretty cool. The following year [1993], we had some issues with injuries, myself included. That was difficult.

    I was always an aggressive player. It’s just the way I’ve always played. I think a lot of players on the Japanese teams were surprised because it was not the norm. I can remember, [early in the season] scoring from first base on a double. As I came into home, the ball was getting there just as I came to the plate and I knocked the catcher over. The ball popped out and I scored, and we ended up winning by a run. People didn’t like the fact that I knocked the catcher over. But as I got up, I tried to see if I could help because I think I broke his collar bone. Everybody could see that I was trying to help him because it was a televised game against the Giants. So, everybody saw me as being hardnosed and they just knew how I played. They were pretty accepting. I think some of the fans in Hiroshima actually enjoyed it.

    When I was a player, there was a veteran locker room in Hiroshima, and there was a rookies locker room. The rookies didn’t stay with the veterans unless the rookie had a friend who was a veteran. I was in the veteran locker room. It was very small and all of my teammates smoked like fish! [As a foreign player] you can feel isolated sometimes, and you have to learn how to live with it. I didn’t speak the language very well at all. Also, I was by myself. Louis Medina got hurt his first year, so I didn’t have a teammate. Robinson Checo, a young Latin kid came over, but he didn’t know any English. They called me in to interpret for him, but I didn’t know Spanish! So, I went in and said, “Que pasa?” That’s about all I knew.  There were a lot of really quirky things like that that happened over there.

    After I stopped playing, I managed in the Minor Leagues. As a AAA manager in Buffalo, we had some good teams. In 2004 we won a championship and in 2005, we had another good team, but we ended up losing in the playoffs. A good friend of mine, Erik Schullstrom was a scout for Hiroshima, and he said, “How would you feel about managing for the Carp?” I said, “Oh, man, that that would be a great opportunity. I’d love to do that.” He went back and introduced the idea to the owner (I had played for his father). He came to Charlotte, and we had an interview, and they said “Yeah, let’s do this.” That’s kind of how it went down. It was a little difficult at first.

    I think I was kind of a stopgap until they got a Japanese manager in there after I was gone. I don’t think it was ever intended for me to win as a manager. I think in their mind they just wanted to try to get somebody else ready and then when they were ready, they could go ahead and kick me loose, which that was fine with me. Didn’t have a problem with that. It was what it was. I thought we did a lot of really good things and I enjoyed my time there as a manager and a player.

    Koji Yamamoto was my manger when I played for the Carp and also managed just before I was hired in 2006. Yamamoto is just a super guy. The two nicest people I was around in baseball would be Sadaharu Oh, who I managed against, and Yamamoto-san. He really wanted me to help [the Carp], and he was very positive about me coming over there. That was pretty cool. As an American managing in Japan, some guys get paranoid because they think somebody’s going to do something to sabotage [the changes] they’re trying to get through. I didn’t have that. Some of my coaching staff were former teammates of mine and they wanted to see change. The Carp hadn’t won in a while and so they wanted to see an American way of doing things and then get back to Japanese style at some point refreshed.

    The way Yamamoto would work the bullpen, it was about complete games. For example, he would leave Hiroki Kuroda in to complete a game because Kuroda at 60% was better than everybody else in the bullpen. Yamamoto-san wouldn’t even go down and ask Kuroda if he was okay. He would just leave him in there. And Kuroda wasn’t going to say anything. He just kept doing it. I got to manage Kuroda for a while, and said, “Would you rather go through and face these guys, the meat of the order, for the fourth time in the ninth inning when you’re dead tired, or would you rather hand it over to the bullpen when you’ve done your job for that day with a certain amount of pitches? That keeps you healthier.”  We even tried him on four days rest. We didn’t really have to, but we tried it just because he wanted to show people in the States that he could do it. And he did okay. He was just not used to it. He was used to pitching every Sunday. That’s another thing that’s different over there, the rotation and how they worked it. Star players were always going to pitch on Sunday, and they announced their pitchers. There were never any flip flops or any of that. As a manager I didn’t understand that. The ownership was like, “Well, [the fans] want to know when they’re going to pitch.” And I said, “Well, they will come [to the ballpark] anyway.” We went through this one time, when Kuroda, pitching on short rest, pitched on a Saturday. It’s just a different mindset. I did it a little more of the American way when I was there, but I [ultimately] did what the owner wanted to do. It was his team.

    When I played, [most Japanese pitchers threw a] four-seamed fastball and a slider, sometimes a breaking ball like a curveball, and some guys would throw a change up. That’s kind of how everything was when I was a player, but as I started to manage, it was different. The players wanted to experiment with the split finger. They wanted to take their repertoire up a notch.  Kenta Maeda, Masahiro Tanaka, Hisashi Iwakuma, and Kuroda, I managed all those guys, were the top line pitchers in Japan, and they always wanted to experiment with new pitches. That was really never brought up back when I was playing. So, it was good to see how it evolved like that. I think it was good for them and a lot of those players were motivated to get to the States and play. All four of those guys did.

    Takahiro Arai was one of my favorite players in Hiroshima. The year before I managed, Arai had won a home run title. The first year I managed, Jeff Livesey was the head coach. Jeff had just showed up to spring camp at Nichinan, so we dressed up one of our interns in Arai’s uniform. He was really skinny, and Arai was a big guy. We got it all set up and I told Jeff, “This guy is the home run king, and he wants to take batting practice strictly for you because you’re going to be the hitting coach and you haven’t seen him hit.” Jeff saw the intern and he went, “Man, he’s not a real big guy, is he?” I just said, “No, no, he’s not that big.” The intern got in there and he swung at the first three pitches and missed them. He was slamming his bat and doing stuff that the Japanese players just wouldn’t do. He was great. He was a good actor. Finally, he popped one up and he pretended like it was going to be a home run but it didn’t get out of the infield. Jeff [was looking worried]. Finally, Arai came out and introduced himself, and then Jeff realized that the guys have tricked him. That was a really funny moment. We tried to lighten things up because Japanese don’t normally do stuff like that. We tried to have a lot of fun, but we worked really hard too.

    I named some co-captains the first year when I was manager. I named Tomonori Maeda and Hiroki Kuroda captains because they didn’t get along. Maeda didn’t really want to do any of that. Whereas Kuroda took charge, and he would say, “Hey, we need to do this” and would come into my office and talk to me about stuff. Those two guys really were good. Maeda and I were actually teammates when I played. He was an outstanding center fielder. He could play. When he was only 17 years old, 18 years old, he was a stud. He had all five tools. He could run, could throw, could hit, could hit for power. He was really a top tier player, but he didn’t say anything because he was a young player. He wouldn’t say anything out of the ordinary to ruffle any feathers back then. When he was young, he was an MLB caliber player. If he went over [to the States], he would have had to get adjusted, and that would be the only fear I would have had, that he couldn’t adjust to the American type of playing. He had to do things his own way and that didn’t fly in the United States back then like it does today. He could still play at times [when I managed him], but he couldn’t play in the field anymore. He got to the point where he was kind of just a pinch hitter. The Hiroshima people loved him. He was a mainstay there.

    Tomoaki Kanemoto was also a teammate of mine and then I managed against him. When Kanemoto became free agent after the 2002 season, the front office had to make a decision between resigning Maeda or Kanemoto. That was a difficult thing. The owner chose Maeda, whereas Kanemoto went on to be the next Cal Ripken with Hanshin. A lot of people really wanted to see Kanemoto stay. I would have loved to have had him on my team because he was a good friend of mine. He had tools and he was strong. You could see that he was going to be a good player.

    Having a small budget has always been a challenge for Hiroshima. I played for Kohei Matsuda, the father of the current owner, before he passed. He would go out and get a player if he thought a foreign player could help them win.  He wouldn’t care about spending money to get him. It whereas the ownership now is more constrained. So, I never had the opportunity to pick out an American player when I was the manager. You might think that was kind of weird. I had some good players, but we didn’t get that frontline American player that I thought would take us over the top.

    I never managed at the Major League level in the United States. I spent a lot of time in AAA and AAA is more of a development type situation. I always showed up every day to win but I never sacrificed development for winning. If we weren’t winning, I was not going to take the number one, two, or three prospect out of the game. I might give him a day off, but I was not going to take him out of the lineup. I think that’s just an understanding of everybody who is in development in the United States. That’s what they truly believe. Development was a big thing for me, and I knew we had to do that in Hiroshima as well. I just had to figure out a different way to do it. So it was different in that respect. I think the players did have a bit of a challenge, me being American and wanting to do things a little bit differently at times, but I didn’t do it all the time. I tried to make adjustments.

    For example, in Japan all of the teams take infield [practice] the same way. They never vary from that, and they take infield every day. Very seldom at the Major League level do teams take infield anymore. If guys want to get in some early work and take some ground balls, or maybe some fly balls if they are an outfielder, they’ll get those in before practice even starts. Even as a Minor League manager I didn’t have my guys take infield every day, but I had them do it often because they were developing. I tried to introduce American-style infield drills to the Carp. We an American style infield [drill] one day and then we would go back and do the Japanese style infield. They didn’t like the American infield. It wasn’t the same. But they could do it and never miss a ball. It was pretty amazing how they could do it, but they just liked it their way. I just finally gave up and said, “Yeah, let’s do it your way. You guys look clean with it.”

    When I started, the team was not in good working condition. They had walked over 500 people the year before I got there, and when you play in a little stadium, like Hiroshima, that makes things very difficult. You can’t walk that many. It leads to giving up three-run homers every other inning. That was their demise. But we got them back on track by making sure we pitched ahead in the count. We cut our walks down to just under 400. When our pitchers had a 2-2 or 3-2 count, they were always looking for a swing and a miss, but we really didn’t have strikeout type pitchers. We had contact type guys, but they didn’t really understand that. They thought they needed a swing and miss to not give up a hit, and that wasn’t the case. Working on that improved us tremendously during the first year when I started managing.

    I also wanted to get rid of the hogwash. Like we would practice for six hours a day, finish up, and guys would be dead tired, and somebody would tell them that they needed to go to the parking lot and keep swinging the bat for another hour. I thought that was a waste of time. Get your rest, get something good to eat, and get ready to work hard the next day. So, I started taking them to the pool and making them swing a bat in the pool after they got done with practice. Some guys liked that, some guys didn’t. The point was they were not getting anything out of sitting in the parking lot, smoking cigarettes and swinging a bat. That was not really what we needed. If you’re going to do something, do it with purpose. I think I brought some of that to the table. It wasn’t as though I was trying to change everything. I just didn’t understand how come there wasn’t any change. But when it came down to it, it was a Japanese team and I was an American manager so I would just try to introduce ideas.

    Some of the Japanese managers would do things that you would never see in the U.S. For example, one of the Dragons better hitters was a two-hole hitter. When he would get on base with one out, the Dragons manager Hiromitsu Ochiai would bunt his three-hole hitter and then let the four-hole hitter come up with two outs. I was like “Hell, yeah, that’s perfect for us!” With two outs all we had to do was get that guy out and the inning was over, or don’t pitch to him at all, and go for the next guy. [But my pitchers would insist on pitching to him] and that four-hole hitter would get a hit. It never failed. I would ask my pitchers, “Why are you doing that?”  It was almost like an unwritten rule that they couldn’t put him on and couldn’t pitch around him. They had to make him swing at their pitch and get him out. That was very discouraging to me. Ochiai just kept doing it. I was like, “God Dang it. What are you doing here?” It was so different.  

    The way they would line up defensively was also different from in the U.S. You would see a third baseman playing even with the bag, right next to the bag, and there would be nobody out with a leadoff hitter up or the seven or eight-hole hitter up. Why would you do that? [Well] they were actually looking for a ball to be hit off the end of the bat. They just wanted to cover everything. But you have got to give something up to get something. You want to double play ball? Then, you have to cheat and get to double-play depth. That’s just the way we treat the game over here. To them, it’s not an option. They were going to cover every possibility. If there was a swinging bunt, they were going to cover it.

    They would try to take away a double by staying on the line but that would leave a huge gap on the left side of the infield. I was like, “Guys were kind of kicking ourselves in the throat here. What are we doing?” A few little things like that I would change around, but it was very difficult to get them to understand it, especially the veteran players. They had a way to position that they were used to. They would want to play at a certain place on the field, and I’d be like, “Well, that doesn’t make sense. You’re giving up too much.” That was a little frustrating, but I got through it. It was not a big deal.

    Here’s one thing that I had never seen happen before [I went to Japan]. When I managed, there were some players who if they had a few bad outings or maybe they weren’t hitting really great would come into my office and say, “Hey, think I need to go down to the minor leagues for ten days and then I’ll come back.” They might not pick up a ball [down there] but when they came back, they were just kind of regrouped and refreshed and they went out and did what they used to do. That’s way different from what we do in the States. I never imagined that that would happen.

    My closer did that to me one time. He had already blown two saves, and he blew another lead, but we ended up coming back to win the game. He came into my office and said, “I think I need to go to the minor leagues.” And I said, “Do you want me to tell the media, or do you want to tell them? He said, “I’d rather you tell them.” So, he threw me under the bus. I told management about it, and they didn’t think anything about it. They were just fine with it. They said, “He’s not been very good. Maybe he needs a little rest.” So, I think it was probably normal for a Japanese player to do that if he’s had some failure. Can you imagine somebody doing that here? I was blown away.

    Overall, I got along great with the umpires in Japan, but we all have situations in which you get heated on the field and if you don’t then something’s wrong. [As a manager] you’ve got to show your team and your players that you are willing to fight for them and it’s us against them. And if they’re not going to make a proper call, then you have a right to say what you need to say. There was a particular umpire, I won’t mention his name, who had trouble seeing. He’d make a really bad call, and I’d ask him in so many words, “Are you ***ing blind!?” And he would look at me and, I almost felt sorry for him, say, “Yeah, I can’t see very well.”  I was like, what the hell? I’ve never had an umpire say that before!

    I would go to the umpiring group and ask them the rulings on something or what they saw in a certain situation. I got along with them fine. I would go over and talk to the guys who had thrown me out of games. It was no big deal. Japanese managers didn’t really do that. They would go out and bump them and hit them, and then they would stay in the game, whereas I would just talk to them and get thrown out. I think my interpreter got me into more trouble than what I really did. He would get fired up more than I would, and he’d say stuff and it looked like I was saying it, and I wasn’t really saying it!

    [Editor’s note: Marty became famous throughout Japan on May 7, 2006, for throwing first base during a dispute with the umpires].

    Well, I had an American pitcher, Mike Romano, on the mound and there was a close play at first base and the umpire called the runner safe. He was one of my favorite umpires over there. His name was Katsumi Manabe. I didn’t know if he was safe or not, it was a tough call. Manabe didn’t know English that well, and I think Mike said, “Well, that was a fucking horseshit call!” Well, Manabe thought that Mike was calling him that. It was just the third inning and Manabe threw my starter out of the game. I went out there, and I’m like, “Oh, God, I’ve got to waste some time here so we can get somebody warmed up enough to get them in the game.” So, I started arguing with the umpires, and as I was arguing with the umpires, I noticed they all had stopwatches. I didn’t know what the hell they had those stopwatches for. Anyway, I was talking, and I was getting heated up, but I still was going to have to waste some more time because we were not going to have anybody ready soon.

    Finally, the umps said, “That’s enough. You need to go back to the dugout.” I was like, “What?” And they said, “Yeah, your time is up. You can’t go over the amount of time to argue this call.” So, I was like, “Oh, you’re not going to throw me out after all the hell I put you through here?”  They just looked at me, and said, “You’re done.” And they started walking away. I had to figure out a way to waste more time, so I just picked up first base and threw it out into right field. All four of them threw me out at once! All four! That was the first time that had ever happened.

    The Carp’s owner made red T-shirts that said, “Danger! My manager throws bases.” He put that out there and they sold them as souvenirs. Pretty good marketing idea. That didn’t bother me any. What did bother me is that first time I got tossed, they finned me 1000 bucks. And the next time I got tossed, it was going to be 2000. My coaching staff thought it was great when I got tossed and the team really liked it. It showed some energy because none of the other Japanese managers really did that. I went to the coaching staff, and I said, “Listen, I can’t do this anymore.” So the coaching staff got together and they paid my fine. I thought that was pretty amazing. They didn’t say anything to the players. The coaches leaked it out that I didn’t feel that I could get tossed because management was not going to help pay the fines. Well, management ended up coming back and said, “If we feel that it’s a worthy cause and you can get tossed, we’ll pay your fine.”

    With the history of the city, and the bombing, the culture of Hiroshima is about rebuilding and fighting. “We’re not giving up!” I think that really stands out in Hiroshima and with the fans there. The fans make trips to Tokyo, and they have their own cheering section. They’re just great. If I had to compare them to a team in the States as far as fan base, I’d say the Cardinals. The reason I say that is the Cardinals do very little during the course of the winter to get better, but it always seems to work out because their fan base is behind them all the time and a lot of guys just need that little extra jump. So yeah, Hiroshima is just a special place. I think it’s more about the people there. I think the rebuilding of the team and putting the money back into the team now has really helped them as far as competing in the league. Hiroshima’s new stadium is off the wall great. It’s awesome. Nippon Ham’s new stadium is also really good. With Japan’s culture, loving baseball the way they do, making all these new stadiums and places for the fans to go has been pretty amazing.

    My time in Japan was a really enjoyable experience, both as a manager and as a player. I really did love it. Also, I met my wife there, so I brought the best part of Japan home with me!

     

    Read more Carp Tales on Rob’s blog

    https://www.robfitts.com/blog

  • The Japanese Baseball Card Industry. Video of the January 28, Zoom talk with Tatsuo Shinke, CEO of MINT Sports Cards in Japan

    The Japanese Baseball Card Industry. Video of the January 28, Zoom talk with Tatsuo Shinke, CEO of MINT Sports Cards in Japan

    On January 28, 2026, Tatsu Shinke, the CEO of Mint Sports Cards, joined SABR’s Asian Baseball and Baseball Card Research Committees to talk about the sports card industry in Japan. You can now watch the talk on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIco-gUF5s8

    Mr. Shinke is the CEO of Mint Sports Cards and Games, Japan’s largest chain of sports card shops. He has previously worked for Upper Deck and Japan’s largest sports card producer, Baseball Magazine.

  • Zoom Event with Hyeonjeong Shim, former Korean Women’s National Baseball Team pitcher- November 21 at 9PM EST

    Zoom Event with Hyeonjeong Shim, former Korean Women’s National Baseball Team pitcher- November 21 at 9PM EST

    SABR’s Asian Baseball Committee is excited to host former Korean Women’s National Baseball Team pitcher Hyeonjeong Shim for a Zoom chat on November 21, 2025, at 9pm EST. The program will begin with a short presentation and a live interview hosted by Zac Petrillo, followed by a Q&A session with viewers. You must sign up below to attend.

    Hyeonjeong Shim is a former pitcher for the Korea Women’s National Baseball Team (2022) and has appeared on YouTube’s Pro Neighborhood Baseball (PDB) as well as in multiple media interviews. She is currently a Public Relations Intern at the Korea Anti-Doping Agency and a student at Kyung Hee University, majoring in Physical Education and Cultural Entertainment. She was also a member of the winning team at the 2023 KSPO Olympic Academy.

    Hyeonjeong Shim will talk about her journey/experience in women’s baseball in Korea, some background/history of women in baseball, her experiences on the national team, how she interfaces with the KBO, and what she is working on today/plans to do in the future.

    Asian Baseball Committee Meeting

    When: Nov 21, 2025 09:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

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  • Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Hiroshima Carp’s First Pennant: Gail Hopkins Remembers the Clincher

    Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Hiroshima Carp’s First Pennant: Gail Hopkins Remembers the Clincher

    On October 15, 1975, the Hiroshima Toyo Carp arrived in Tokyo to play the Yomiuri Giants needing a win to clinch the Central League pennant. In the Carp’s 25-year history, they had never finished above third place. 

    Carp first baseman Gail Hopkins remembers:  

    There was obviously a lot of pressure on us, and the guys were starting to feel it. Wally Yonamine’s team, the Chunichi Dragons, had been even with us in the standings but we went up a game on them. We were at the point where we controlled our own destiny. If we won, we would win the pennant. If we didn’t win, then we had to play the next day and we’d still have to win that game and it would also depend on what happened with Chunichi, which was off in another place playing while we were playing in Tokyo.

    The stands were packed. The stadium was full with 50,000 fans. That stadium was always full even though the Giants were 27 games behind us. They drew 3.05 million people that year. About 15,000 to 20,000 people came to the game from Hiroshima They had these rice spoons from Miyajima, which is an island right near Hiroshima. When something went well for us, our fans would smack these spoons together. So, there was this incessant clicking of the spoons going on during the game.

    Pitching for us was Yoshiro Sotokoba and he was really throwing the ball very well.  The pitcher they had throwing against us was a left-hander named Hisao Niura and he was a big guy, about six feet, and he threw pretty hard. He had pretty good stuff and he was pitching very well that night, so we didn’t have a whole lot of chances.

    Yoshiro Sotokoba

    We scored the first run in the fifth inning. Our catcher, Hiroyuki Michihara, came to bat and he hit a ground ball down the third baseline. Davey Johnson was playing third base for the Giants, and he had to move toward the line. When he went to make the play, the ball hit off his glove and he obscured the baseline from the umpire. The umpire called the ball fair, and it was, but there was a big argument between the Giants manager Shigeo Nagashima and the umpire. Nagashima said it was a foul ball and put on a show. It was his first year as a manager and he was terrible. I mean he was truly terrible as a manager. But anyway, the ball was fair, and then our catcher was sacrificed to second. Then Tsuyoshi Oshita hit the ball off the wall and their left fielder could get there in time and Michihara scored to make it 1-0. 

    When the game started, we had a lot of fans supposing us, but most of the people there, at least half of the people or more, were Giants fans and were cheering for the Giants. As the game went along, it was getting more and more exciting and the fans were clearly engaged. There was also a change in the way the fans were cheering. We seemed to gain support.

    In the sixth inning, the Giants had two runners on with one out and Sadaharu Oh coming up, so we walked Oh to load the bases. The next batter was a right-handed big outfielder named Toshimitsu Suetsugu. He was a formidable player. He hit a ground ball to Oshita at second base who turned it to shortstop Toshiyuki Mimura and Mimura threw it to me to turn the double play to get out of the inning. That was the biggest risk for us in the game. Had we not made that play at least one or two runs might have scored. 

    Tsuyoshi Oshita

    In the ninth inning, things were really pretty tight. The guys on the bench were getting kind of anxious. We had made a pitching change in the eighth inning and brought in Motoyasu Kaneshiro. He had won 20 games the year before, but he got into a car wreck and he didn’t play for a while, so Joe Lutz converted him from a starter into a relief pitcher. He was kind of a submarine pitcher—he wasn’t way down underneath but he was below sidearm, and he threw the ball pretty hard. Well, he led off the ninth inning and checked his swing on a pitch and hit a blooper into right center that dropped for a single. The next batter was Oshita, and Oshita put down one of the best bunts I’ve ever seen. Oshita could run fairly well, and he laid a bunt down the first baseline just like you’re supposed to do. The ball was about three feet off the line and by the time the pitcher and the first baseman got to the ball, Oshita was by them and it was a base hit.

    So, with one out and runners on first and second in the ninth inning, they changed pitchers. They brought in this left-hander Kazumi Takahashi. He was their leading left-hand relief pitcher. Mimura came up and Takahashi struck out Mimura on really good pitch.

    When I came up, my goal was to try to hit the ball hard somewhere and drive a run in. I wasn’t thinking about anything else. My style of hitting in 1975 was different than I did in the States. In the States, I had a wide stance and basically hit the ball where it was pitched. In Japan, I tried to pull everything. The first pitch he threw was a breaking ball away for a ball. For the second pitch, I was guessing fastball and if I didn’t get it, I would take it. He threw a breaking ball, so I took it for the first strike. Then he threw a fastball, and I checked my swing and it hit my bat for a foul. That really irritated me because it put me in the hole with the pitch count. At this point, my goal was just to put the ball in play. He came back and threw another breaking ball in the dirt. 

    The Carp fans were clapping the rice spoons together and those things made a lot of noise! Then, Takahashi threw another breaking ball in the dirt [making it a full count]. Now, I knew that he had to throw a strike because if he didn’t, he was going to have to face Koji Yamamoto with the bases loaded. If I wanted a pitch to hit hard, it would be just like his next pitch, inside and around thigh high. And that was it.  As they say, “Sayonara Aka-chan!” Of course, that was the ball game right there. When it’s 1-0, the worst hitter on their club could tie the game [with one swing] but now they had to come back and score three.

    I, of course, was elated when I hit the ball out. I wasn’t thinking about that because at that point my goal was to make solid contact and just to drive in a run, but he put the ball right there in my wheelhouse. I didn’t over swing and it went all the way to the back of the stadium. It made the tension level in the dugout relax because we had pretty good bullpen and Kaneshiro was really doing well so we were in good shape. 

    Gail Hopkins celebrates after hitting the 3-run homer

    The clubhouses were different [in Japan] from what we have here. We have big clubhouses, where you can get sandwiches and you’ve got all your personal stuff. There, the clubhouses weren’t big. They weren’t sophisticated. They didn’t have a place where you could sit down and have beer when the game was over. The visiting teams would even get dressed in their hotels! So, we didn’t have a big celebration after we clinched, like they do here with champagne or beer. We just went back home to Hiroshima on the train the next day and then we had a big parade.

  • Zoom Interview with NPB Great Leron Lee, October 6, 8pm EST

    Zoom Interview with NPB Great Leron Lee, October 6, 8pm EST

    SABR’s Asian Baseball Committee is excited to host Leron Lee for a zoom chat on October 4, 2025, at 8pm EST. The program will begin with a live interview hosted by Rob Fitts to be followed by Q&A session with viewers. You must sign up below to attend.

    Leron Lee played eight season in the Major Leagues with The St Louis Cardinals (1969-71), San Diego Padres (1971-73), Cleveland Indians (1974-75), and Los Angeles Dodgers (1975-76), before going to Japan in 1977. There, he played 12 seasons (1977-1987) with the Lotte Orions. During this time, he was named to four All-Star teams and four Best Nine teams. He led the Pacific League in home runs and RBI in 1977, and won the batting crown in 1980. He retired with 1579 NPB hits and 283 home runs. His .320 lifetime NPB batting average is the highest in NPB history.

    Asian Baseball Committee meeting

    When: Oct 6, 2025 08:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) 

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    After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the meeting.